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		<title>By: Eric Walle</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 03:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, Jeff.

Julia mentioned your post to me last night at dinner.  What she said brought to mind my experience as an intersession aide at Harriet Eddy MS, so I was interested to see what you had written.  Having read it, I wonder if you are conflating &quot;respect&quot; and &quot;obedience&quot;.  The students&#039; &quot;idea of masculinity and authority&quot; that you describe seems to involve fear and the implicit threat of violence (illustrated, for example, by the &quot;greeting&quot; given to your group by the tour guide at the jail.) 

The relation between that and a relative inability to bond with men may be that even in white suburbia, many boys are raised to think that being &quot;manly&quot; is evaluated primarily in physical terms, particularly the ability to inflict and withstand pain, and to impose one&#039;s will via force or intimidation.  Those who operate in that mode are generally uncomfortable with those of us who opt out of it, and that discomfort tends to impede the formation of friendships.

In the case of your students, their disobedience flows from their perception that you are not a threat.  I think this is not so much a lack of respect as a lack of maturity, and without exposure to and experience with different behaviors and points of view they will remain emotionally and intellectually immature.  It is, of course, important for you to understand your intentions; for your students, however, it is your actions that carry weight, and you may never know how and when those actions will lead to a positive result for any given individual.

I know this has gotten windy, so I&#039;ll close by quoting another windy sort - Shakespeare&#039;s Polonius :
    &quot;This above all: to thine own self be true,
    And it must follow, as the night the day,
    Thou canst not then be false to any man.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Jeff.</p>
<p>Julia mentioned your post to me last night at dinner.  What she said brought to mind my experience as an intersession aide at Harriet Eddy MS, so I was interested to see what you had written.  Having read it, I wonder if you are conflating &#8220;respect&#8221; and &#8220;obedience&#8221;.  The students&#8217; &#8220;idea of masculinity and authority&#8221; that you describe seems to involve fear and the implicit threat of violence (illustrated, for example, by the &#8220;greeting&#8221; given to your group by the tour guide at the jail.) </p>
<p>The relation between that and a relative inability to bond with men may be that even in white suburbia, many boys are raised to think that being &#8220;manly&#8221; is evaluated primarily in physical terms, particularly the ability to inflict and withstand pain, and to impose one&#8217;s will via force or intimidation.  Those who operate in that mode are generally uncomfortable with those of us who opt out of it, and that discomfort tends to impede the formation of friendships.</p>
<p>In the case of your students, their disobedience flows from their perception that you are not a threat.  I think this is not so much a lack of respect as a lack of maturity, and without exposure to and experience with different behaviors and points of view they will remain emotionally and intellectually immature.  It is, of course, important for you to understand your intentions; for your students, however, it is your actions that carry weight, and you may never know how and when those actions will lead to a positive result for any given individual.</p>
<p>I know this has gotten windy, so I&#8217;ll close by quoting another windy sort &#8211; Shakespeare&#8217;s Polonius :<br />
    &#8220;This above all: to thine own self be true,<br />
    And it must follow, as the night the day,<br />
    Thou canst not then be false to any man.&#8221;<br />
                 (Hamlet Act 1, scene 3, 78–80)</p>
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		<title>By: Christi</title>
		<link>http://jeffforamerica.com/2010/02/18/be-like-me/#comment-620</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your honesty.  I am in a streaming class and your link cam e up in the chat]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your honesty.  I am in a streaming class and your link cam e up in the chat</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
		<link>http://jeffforamerica.com/2010/02/18/be-like-me/#comment-619</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ralph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 22:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe you&#039;re trying to be a male role model for the wrong group of boys.  I think it&#039;s difficult for gay men to be role models for straight guys.  Sure, we have a lot to teach straight men, but I&#039;m not sure that they would ever see us as people they want to be like.  Have you considered mentoring a group of gay teens?  You would definitely be someone they could all respect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you&#8217;re trying to be a male role model for the wrong group of boys.  I think it&#8217;s difficult for gay men to be role models for straight guys.  Sure, we have a lot to teach straight men, but I&#8217;m not sure that they would ever see us as people they want to be like.  Have you considered mentoring a group of gay teens?  You would definitely be someone they could all respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Mom</title>
		<link>http://jeffforamerica.com/2010/02/18/be-like-me/#comment-617</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 04:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love that puzzle piece.  I hope they listened to the speaker and took something away from the workshop that is positive.  Great workshop topic!  All role models/mentors cannot and should not all be the same.  But, I understand your frustration.  Love, Mom]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love that puzzle piece.  I hope they listened to the speaker and took something away from the workshop that is positive.  Great workshop topic!  All role models/mentors cannot and should not all be the same.  But, I understand your frustration.  Love, Mom</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 03:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even when they aren&#039;t happy thoughts you still can post great thoughts..  I wish I could write like you..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even when they aren&#8217;t happy thoughts you still can post great thoughts..  I wish I could write like you..</p>
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